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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 22, 2011 11:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: suppose obama wants credit for this , too!

Guys, it's 16 months away.
This '12 election is going to be a barn burner. It was a 100 years ago as well. TR split the R. vote and that racist megalomaniac squeaked in. One of the worst Presidents we have had.

I'm glad they caught Whitey. Leavenworth to grave is his future. Maybe he'll be cremated, true.

RB, that network you linked to has been known to actually lower your IQ at a rate faster then the other two. Do we count Bloomberg as a biggie news outlet now?

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jun 23, 2011 5:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Nobody asked....sorta threadjack

"TR split the R. vote and that racist megalomaniac squeaked in. One of the worst Presidents we have had."

Hard to top Wilson. Creation of the Federal Reserve????

Jackson's personal involvement in "Trail of Tears" and Lincoln's suspension of habeus corpus land them both in my Top 5 Shitty President's list.

Millard Filmore comes in at number 4 just because his name was "Millard".

#5 is everyone from FDR to present - except Ike. Kennedy may have turned out okay if he hadn't been allergic to lead.

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Jun 23, 2011 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nobody asked....sorta threadjack

Lincoln's suspension of Habeus Corpus, does not and should not make him a terrible President in my opinion. The Constitution grants the President this power to limit freedoms in times of war like the Civil War, although it is extreme (but so weren't those times), he was well within his presidential abilities to do it. If not for Lincoln this country may not have won the Civil War and slavery might have been legal for a lot longer than it was. He needed to make a decision which he thought was in the best interest of America. FDR's interment camps, in my opinion, was much worse that what Lincoln did. FDR also pushed the boundaries of what a President could do with the New Deal, now it may have been what the country needed, but it was pushing the limits of Pres power. What Lincoln did was well within his power as a President. To me, Lincoln was and still is our best President we have had, with TR and Washington in second and then FDR and then I guess it is up to the person who makes #5 on, I would think Ike, Adams, Jefferson would be in the next tier but to me those 4 guys established themselves above all. Nice discussion started here, as a history teacher and GD lover this combines this all into one, if only we could weave football into this and it would hit the trifecta!

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jun 23, 2011 12:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nobody asked....sorta threadjack

The Constitution also establishes separation of powers.

Ex parte Merryman declared Lincoln's suspension unconstitutional and ordered the Army to bring Merryman before the Supreme Court.

Lincoln ignored the ruling and did it anyway. That in my opinion is the much graver sin. Defying and/or ignoring separation of powers puts one on a very slippery slope. That Lincoln was able to extricate himself, and the subsequent course the Civil War ran, is only partially mitigating.

I'm afraid I have very little good to say about FDR. Executive Order 6102 could arguably be entered as evidence supporting treason charges. Granted, I doubt FDR could have foreseen the further debasement and erosion of the Nation's currency that was to come, but it certainly paved the way for Bretton Woods, the IMF and the beginning of the dollar's end. FDR's opposition to the dissolution of the Bank for International Settlements on the charge that the BIS aided and abetted Nazi Germany war crimes was a stage act he took to his grave.

Come to think of it, that puts Truman up in the Top 5 (move over Millard) since he essentially suspended the dissolution and reversed the decision to shut down the BIS.

At least Lincoln's favorite football team was the Dallas Cowboys.....I'll bet you did not know that Mary Todd was one of the original Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders?

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Jun 23, 2011 12:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nobody asked....sorta threadjack

All good points here Mando, and I know there is seperation of powers, I just see what he did as Constitutionally legal but you bring up valid points. I have never been a huge FDR fan but he did get elected 4 straight times, so that has to count for something and his decisions prior to WWII I think were very good in terms of preparing the country but the points about the dollar you make about him are valid and the Interment camps to me are always huge sticking points when it comes to rating Presidents.! Good points to think about Mando and I think Lincoln was a Pats fan and Mary Todd was a huge bruins/Sox fan! Hahahahahaha

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 23, 2011 6:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nobody asked....sorta threadjack

Oh my goodness. A McClellan man. You Copperhead, you!

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jun 23, 2011 9:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nobody asked....sorta threadjack

More like William Tecumseh Sherman.

Except I would march through the Capitol.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jun 23, 2011 9:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nobody asked....sorta threadjack

Wait! I have to ask... You knock Lincoln for suspending habeas corpus, but you're a Sherman fan? Sherman practically invented "total war." Any guesses as to how he felt about due process?

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jun 23, 2011 12:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nobody asked....sorta threadjack

Fair enough....point well made.

Any guesses as to how I feel about how deserving our elected officials are wrt to the job they are doing, the state of the country and affording them due process?

Begin the March with two drummers.........wait, that ran its course a few days ago.

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Jun 23, 2011 12:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nobody asked....sorta threadjack

Mando,

While we may disagree about Lincoln I think we would completley agree about our elected officials today!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 23, 2011 9:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nobody asked....sorta threadjack

Not an option. Sherman didn't run.

(And besides, while Sherman may not really have said "the only good Indian" etc, his actions against Indian civilians sure expressed it. Tear up the tracks and burn the fields, transferred to the West. Certainly up there with Trail of Tears.)

But sorry, Mando, in '64 it's either Lincoln or McClellan. Or, if you prefer '60 (before habeus corpus was an issue), you get to pick between ... two-drummer drumroll, please ... Breckenridge, who did indeed later try to march on the Capitol at Fort Stephen; Bell, a slaveholder; or Douglas, who was pro-Dred Scott and also died in '61, so we'd have had a slaveholding president named ... HERSCHEL! Which would definitely beat Millard.

And your vote goes to ... ?

Here's Herschel Vespasian Johnson, our coulda-been 17th president if the soon-to-be-deceased Douglas had beaten Lincoln:

http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/media_content/m-8750.jpg





This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2011-06-24 04:41:19

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jun 23, 2011 6:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: suppose obama wants credit for this , too!

One good racist deserves another.

T. Roosevelt: "I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth."

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 23, 2011 12:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: suppose obama wants credit for this , too!

But that's only cuz those who watch Fox already have such low IQs it can't drop much further.

(Sorry, couldn't resist. I respect folks with all kinds of political perspectives as long as they're genuine, thoughtful -- and don't rely on Fox News :-) )

So, did Mobster Bulger get his start in the tabouli racket?



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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 23, 2011 12:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: suppose obama wants credit for this , too!

Ah so, our Nepalese Rose. I didn't even mention that outlet or CNN. C'mon now, you have a problem w/ Mr. Ailes. I don't know why, he's so cute you just want to grab his cheeks and give him a big ol' raspberry.

Here have some fun,

http://nation.foxnews.com/

Where's Waldo?

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 23, 2011 1:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: suppose obama wants credit for this , too!

So, this "Fox Nation" ... is that like an Onion version of Fox? I mean, a huge headline, "Obama doesn't thank Petraeus." Has to be a spoof, right? Tomorrow's headline: "Obama doesn't curse name of Marx in bedtime prayers." Next day's headline: "Obama doesn't ban tofu." Flash news! Proof of evil socialism!

Oy. Sorry. No, you didn't name Fox or CNN. You meant, um, Al Jazeera and the Cartoon Network?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 23, 2011 8:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: suppose obama wants credit for this , too!

Just kick Bloomberg and CNBC International (one of them) to the curb. Do you have something against the Cartoon Network? Animation-ist! Animation-ist!

I figured that link would be some tasty red meat for you.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jun 23, 2011 6:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: suppose obama wants credit for this , too!

OMG that's hysterical! Brilliant!

Check out the latest headline...

"Obama Has a Big Problem With White Women"

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